Cream together the sugars, honey, butter, shortening and salt until light and fluffly. Add eggs, one at a time, mixing thoroughly. Add Herman starter, applesauce, vanilla and rum flavoring. In another bowl, combine flours, spices, baking soda and baking powder. Mix thoroughly with a wire whisk. Fold into creamed mixture. Fold in chopped walnuts and raisins if using them. Pour into a greased and floured 25 cm tube pan or use a bundt pan. Bake at 180ºC or 75-80 minutes or until a toothpick inserted near the center comes out clean. Cool in pan a few minutes before removing. ----